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I could have a drink, but I can't even enjoy wine without feeling guilty about what a poor use of land vineyards are. My wise boyfriend reassures me that we are all part of a process, and this is the culture we were born into; therefore, if the process includes destroying the earth, as he agrees it appears to, then so be it. Update: This was truly a mammoth.
It affected me very deeply and was fantastically difficult in many ways; I also found the tone extremely distressing at times. I admire the authors' acuity and uncompromising attempt to get through to readers, but not by banging us over the head infinitely and indefinitely I don't think I will ever forget the book's messages. If you're sensitive, as I am, or have a tendency toward depression or radicalism, be warned. Dec 20, Ryan Mishap rated it really liked it Shelves: science-natural-history , personal-writing , political-category , environment , philosophy , native-struggle.
If you've read any Derrick Jensen before--or are paying attention at all to the real world--you know that we're fucked. Humanity is doomed and the only question is how much of the earth and how many species we are going to take with us when we go down. The authors come at the inevitable through looking at our culture's waste products. Definitions, plastic, philosophies, examples--there is everything and more in here. The chapter on plastics is fucking horrifying. It's not all terrifying, as both If you've read any Derrick Jensen before--or are paying attention at all to the real world--you know that we're fucked.
It's not all terrifying, as both authors are funny, compassionate people. The book is interesting, as well. Take the stuff on recycling, for example. They contrast modern recycling with the fact that, up until recently, recycling and re-use was the norm in our society like how everything used to be "organic" agriculture until modern chemistry came along. Not stopping with just that comparison, however, the go on to talk about a philosophy of recycling: you take in other beings to survive and you feed other beings as you live and in death.
Hefty, personal, pissed off, depressing, and essential, of course. And I haven't touched on a fraction of what gets covered. I did like Aric McBray, the co-author. He brought a different sensibility to the book, though no less compromising. View 1 comment.
Dec 20, Melody rated it really liked it Recommends it for: humans. Recommended to Melody by: Ryan Mishap. This is one of those paradigm-shifting books. I picked it up thinking I was doing everything I could, living "green" and being aware. But no, I'm a total corporate tool in ways I never dreamed possible.
This is a thoroughly depressing book that opened my eyes to the magnitude of the problems with human trash. I thought I knew how bad things were, but I was laboring under any number of misapprehensions including the one which says "it can be fixed". I would write a longer review, but I have to go This is one of those paradigm-shifting books. I would write a longer review, but I have to go out and blow up some dams now. Dec 17, Verene rated it did not like it Shelves: environment , sustainability. This book started bad and got worse. It advertized itself as a book on sustainability, which it mostly is, but with a whole bunch of annoying digressions and super annoying commentary from the authors.
Unfortunately I found this book so off-putting, I didn't finish it! This is how the first ish pages went, before I stopped: It started off with one of the authors talking about how he poops in the woods by his house I gathered that he owns the land and that should be ok because it's natural. T This book started bad and got worse. Then they wrote about an architect who touts himself as being "green," and for the most part it sounds like the architect does build sustainable buildings, and does it well; the authors of "What We Leave Behind" explained this architect designed a building for a truck factory and some Nike offices, which are not sustainable businesses particularly since Nike uses essentially slave labor in their factories.
Clearly there are huge environmental and human rights issues surrounding Nike and the like, but instead of placing the blame where it belonged, the authors strangely focused their rant on the architect, which went on for more than 10 pages. After this there was some weird aside on how the authors dog died in the next paragraph directly asks the reader if we think his writing style is strange, and how he gets comments about his writing style seeming random and non sequitur, when he actually writes very deliberately. The following chapter talks about plastics. The authors state plainly that they did poorly in chemistry class, and it sounds like they did some research on Google.
The point at which I couldn't stand to read another word was on page , when they were writing about the toxicity of chemicals found in plastics, and then started talking about chlorine and this is a direct quote from the book : "We're all familiar with one form of chlorine: it's in salt sodium chloride. Are we supposed to fear table salt now because it's similar to toxic chlorine? I suppose we should worry about carbon monoxide poisoning when we drink coffee because caffeine has some carbon and some oxygen in its chemical composition?
On top of that in the plastics chapter, the author pointed out how plastics have become ubiquitous, and pointed out how he was typing on a plastic keyboard, using a monitor encased in plastic, with his plastic-encased cell phone on his desk nearby. Then he writes "I hate this culture. They research pollution, contemplate the unsustainable practices engrained in social norms, admit they are perpetrators of the same faults e. Instead they just hate everyone and themselves. I am frankly shocked this book has such a good rating on Goodreads which is why I gave it a try and tried my best to stick it out.
This book, sadly, was a waste of paper, ink, and energy.
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View all 4 comments. Aug 25, Black Spring added it. McBay, for his part, stuck around for all the other fuck shit until the transphobia, and then bounced from the organization and condemned jensen and keith's transphobic views and actions.
Nov 10, W2 rated it really liked it. The chapter "Growing Up" resonated with me. I have told any number of people to grow up lately. Some choice quotes: If we wish to live sustainably, which at this point means to continue to live at all, we must put aside the childish notion that we have the right to take whatever we want from non-humans.
We must put away the childish notion that human beings are exempt from ecological principles. We must put away the childish notion that the health of our communities is not our responsibility. We n The chapter "Growing Up" resonated with me. We need to grow up enough to know that others exist. We need to grow up. We need to take responsibility for ourselves, and we need to manifest that responsibility to our communities.
This is the pledge I make to the land where I live, to life o earth, and to you: I will make the world glad I was born. I will make it so that my birth, my life, and my death make the world a better place than had I never exosted. Apr 21, AJ rated it did not like it Shelves: , non-fiction , worst-books-ever , written-by-an-asshole.
I think Derrick Jensen likes to go for the jugular, going for a radical, blow up all of the dams approach to get people thinking, but ultimately this style of writing does more to depress than inspire. I also hate how he blames women for taking birth control pills because we're destroying the water supplies, I guess and then also blames us for having too many babies. Make up your mind, dude! The authors first argue that culture is leading to the ultimate destruction of life on this planet, and then debunk the myths that living "sustainable" lives or buying "eco-friendly" products is the way to go about fixing things.
This book is excellent because it doesn't try to solve the problem of industrial capitalism by telling readers to go out and buy things, or donate to gigantic non-profit organizations. I also loved how this book was written, with personal anecdotes and lots of stories that really hit home and make the book more readable and enjoyable than a dry academic text.
My only disappointment was that there were no foot-notes, only end-notes, so comments were lost in the back of the book. I hate flipping back and forth to the back of the book, so as a result I read most of the end-notes after the book. I find these to be an integral part of the text, and wish they had been included in the main portion of the book. View 2 comments. Jun 10, Anthony Haden rated it it was amazing.
Derrick Jensen and Aric McBay are honest and unrelenting as they take us down the suicidal road modern civilization is taking us all, or that we are taking it, more accurately. This is not only a book of inconvenient truths but also one that calls the reader to revolutionary action. The authors don't mince words, and often lean on the the wilder and perhaps more disturbing edge of anarchy as a means for change.
Their angst and anger is well supported, though, even if I don't necessarily agree Derrick Jensen and Aric McBay are honest and unrelenting as they take us down the suicidal road modern civilization is taking us all, or that we are taking it, more accurately. Their angst and anger is well supported, though, even if I don't necessarily agree with some of their more radical leanings. An intricate and well researched history of modern society's evolution into an unsustainable and globally destructive model is on display here. It is intriguing and infuriating all at once as the authors go from our individual parts in the bigger picture of where we're headed to the seemingly unalterable realities of civilization as a whole.
This is essential reading for anyone who wants to live and participate in the world in a positive way. Knowledge is power and power is action. A fantastic, depressing, terrifying, and ultimately inspiring book. Encourage others to read this and perhaps the radical actions Jensen and McBay suggest here will not be necessary to change the course of corporate-driven collapse Aug 11, Dennis Littrell rated it it was amazing.
A passionate polemic against industrial civilization While I'm going to disagree with a lot of what Derrick Jensen and his co-author Aric McBay have to say, I am in substantial agreement with their central thesis which is that industrial civilization is not sustainable as it currently exists. Whether industrial civilization can be altered to make it sustainable is what is arguable. Personally I believe it can be.
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Jensen does not. I'm giving five stars to this book because it is passionately writte A passionate polemic against industrial civilization While I'm going to disagree with a lot of what Derrick Jensen and his co-author Aric McBay have to say, I am in substantial agreement with their central thesis which is that industrial civilization is not sustainable as it currently exists.go
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I'm giving five stars to this book because it is passionately written and full of insights and knowledge that I wish were more widely known and appreciated. Jensen is an extremely knowledgeable and brilliant man. He is also a bitter and angry man. This book is a long polemic against what he sees as the on-going destruction of this planet by an unsustainable industrial society, a society willfully ignorant of what it is doing.
Where I part company with Jensen is in the identification of the underlying problem, which to me is too many people on the planet. For some reason, although he obliquely acknowledges that we have too many people, Jensen deemphasizes the crucial importance of this fact and even ignores it to concentrate on mostly industrial pollution and the destruction of the planet's ecosystems by the industrial machine. Implicit and central to Jensen's understanding is the idea that if you are spending 10 calories of energy for every one calorie of food produced see pages and for this claim, which I suspect is close to correct you have a situation that is headed for collapse in a world with 6.
If however the same ratio were applied to a world with say half a billion people, it might be sustainable since there would be a surplus of energy available. Of course it would be much better if we were to both reduce our numbers and to employ more economic and sustainable means of subsistence.
Jensen makes a distinction between the natural wastes from our bodies--including our bodies! These wastes include everything from toxic metals to rank poisons to plastics to spent nuclear materials. He seems to believe that we cannot keep these wastes from harming the planet whereas I believe we can. It is a question of the proper use of technology and a political willingness to do things in a non-polluting and sustainable manner. In part Jensen's cynicism stems from his observation that corporations which account for most of the pollution are psychopathic entities that exist to maximize profits while externalizing costs.
That is their nature: they cannot behave otherwise. Externalizing costs means dumping wastes onto somebody else's backyard or onto the laps of future generations. Make no mistake about it: that is what our giant corporations are doing today and have been doing since their inception. Let me jump ahead to Jensen's solution. He has a five point plan for resistance in the pen-ultimate chapter, "Fighting Back. He wants the culture to be "dismantled completely" p.
He believes that fighting back "means not using violence when it's appropriate to not use violence…" and "using violence when it is appropriate to use violence. And two, it is impossible for the system to change by its own accord. Like a junkie, industrial civilization must crash and burn before has even a glimmer that change is necessary.
After rejecting the possibility of a sustainable "technotopia"--a society in which technology is used in a sustainable way--Jensen comes to what he considers is most likely to happen: collapse. He recalls that Rome collapsed because it ran out of people and resources to exploit. He sees the same thing happening to industrial civilization. Many of the people we remember — artists, political leaders, or teachers — were not famous during their life. And many rich and famous people from the past are forgotten today.
However, it may help to think about death a little more. Our understanding of death shapes how we live. When people believe that there is life after death, they will live a different kind of life. David Blake believed this. His mother explains:. But he also knew that he had the hope of eternal life. He knew he would have life after death.
So he was able to be positive and joyful while he was so sick. Do you think there is life after death? What would you like to be remembered for? What do you think is your legacy? Tell us what you think. You can leave a comment on our website. Or email us at radio radioenglish. You can also comment on Facebook at Facebook. The writers of this program were Adam Navis and Katy Blake. The producer was Michio Ozaki. The voices you heard were from the United Kingdom and the United States. All quotes were adapted for this program and voiced by Spotlight.
You can listen to this program again, and read it, on the internet at www. Visit our website to download our free official app for Android or Apple devices. We hope you can join us again for the next Spotlight program. First, I want to thank you for bringing us more one great article, thank you. Question 1 - Do you think there is life after death?
Yes, I do. My answer to that question is positive because I have a guardian angel who tell me some important things in my dreams when I am sleeping which will happen before it happens. Question 2 - What do you think is your legacy? Well, I am an ordinary person but I respect so much my job and my patients and people. So, I think that my co - wokers will say to each other Severino Ramos was a respectful nurse. He worked very well and he took care of his patients in a special way.
I think that will be my legacy when I die. Question 3 - How will people remember you after you die? I do no know but I think my co - workers will say he should not have died. We are missing him. Question 4 - What would you like to be remembered for? I would like to be remembered that people, doctors and nurses do not burn my body, do not cut no part of my body, and do not take out no organ from my body. Finally, I want to thank you again by that important article, thank you very much. Your regards, Severino Ramos From Brazil. First; I would like to offer my condolences to Katy Blake for having lost her son, David.
Second; I did not make anything good to world Although I tried and still try. So I do not have any legacy and I think that not one remember me after dead.